On February 25 2024, Aaron Bushnell set himself on fire at the gate of the Israeli embassy in Washington, DC “as an act of protest against the ongoing genocide of Palestinians in Gaza.”

Aaron wrote “I view enforced homelessness as a societal failing and a crime against humanity.”

Chris asked “we enforce homelessness?” Jay tries to convince Chris that we do.

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The full article: Memories of Aaron Bushnell: As Recounted by His Friends

Excerpt from that article: “I’ve always been bothered by the reality of homelessness, even back when I was growing up in a conservative community. I have come to believe in the importance of solidarity politics and I view the enforcement of homelessness as a major front in the class war which must be challenged for all our sakes. I view helping my houseless neighbors as a moral obligation, a matter of social justice, and a matter of good politics. If I don’t stand with those more marginalized than me today then who will be left to stand with me tomorrow.

I view enforced homelessness as a societal failing and a crime against humanity. I believe that no one deserves to be deprived of basic human necessities. I believe that homelessness as an involuntary condition must be abolished.”

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Transcript (via OpenAI Whisper):

We can talk about anything you want as Jay Flaunce is ignorant. Welcome to Jay Flaunce’s Ignorance, episode 44, Enforced Homelessness with Chris Hoover. If you’d like to leave a message for the show, call our voicemail line at 1-402-577-0117. Thanks. And I believe you said we enforce homelessness, question mark. Is that what you said? Yeah. So, so that’s the question to me. Okay. So do we enforce homelessness? Okay. So here’s how I see the structure of our capitalist system in America right now. And hopefully my dog isn’t doing bad things. All right. I think for a lot of us that have skills that people will pay us to do, there is no enforcement of homelessness. I can be homeless tomorrow if I want to. I can sell the house and now I’m homeless, you know. Or I can have a house because I have spent decades earning enough money that I have enough capital sitting in a bank that I can have a house. Right. But for people like my friend downtown who has some mental challenges, a lot of social challenges, I don’t think that he can produce anything in our capitalistic system of value enough that he could afford, say, rent, let alone a mortgage. Right. So I feel that for certain individuals in society, like my friend, because he doesn’t have what all of us value in terms of competitive cutthroat democracy or capitalism, he doesn’t have a way to engage with the money system to not be homeless. So he relies on other people to provide him housing. Right. And to the extent that we do that, then our society isn’t enforcing homelessness, in my opinion, because housing is a human right that he has access to, to the extent that we put him in housing. But to the extent that we don’t provide him housing, then our society is enforcing houselessness on him because he doesn’t have, in my opinion, the capacity to compete in capitalism enough to afford to be able to pay someone else U.S. dollars for rent sufficient to have him not be homeless. And I feel like that’s enforcement of homelessness for certain people. If we provided universal housing, right, then I would say we don’t. But we don’t provide universal housing. And so I would say that we do. So I would say that America enforces houselessness for some people systematically. Did I answer your question? Yeah, I suppose so. I think I think where the maybe the disconnect is there is that force is kind of a weird issue in that context to me. In the sense that. Like, there’s I guess I look at things like there’s consequences for our actions. Right. And. People being allowed to go through a consequence, a natural consequence is not any is not force, but people to go through something that is not a forced consequence of their actions is force. And I do think that there are some people that maybe fall into a category to me that I do worry about in the sense that they they don’t have the ability to make money enough to pay for a single place to live or a single room. But, you know, I would. But that’s kind of like a consequence, not necessarily force. So. So. I think that if I guess the way what I’m trying to say is that I would look at it more like we’re not forcing homelessness on them as much as we are just not forcing other people to buy them a home. Do you see update that’s I know that that’s kind of maybe a little bit of semantics there, but no, no, I get your point. But the. You know, he’s he’s my friend, but if he walks into my house, I’m like, what the hell are you doing here? Get the fuck out. Right. Get out or I’ll call the police who will come with guns and force you out of my house. Right. Because I did not invite you to live in my house. Right. Right. So I’m enforcing that he gets the hell off of my property and out of my house because I’m not willing to help him that much. He’s not that good a friend. I have lots of friends that I would let them live with me. He’s not one of them. Yeah. So he leaves and he goes to a park and he tries to sleep in the park and there’s a city ordinance, which says you can’t sleep in the park. So then the police show up and they tear up all his shit and they throw him out of the park because he’s not allowed to sleep in a city park. Right. So he’s being forced out of there. So then he goes down by the river. Well, it turns out the city owns that chunk of the river and it’s not a park, but the city owns it. You’re trespassing. Get the fuck out. And the police show up and in victim, you know, they push him out again by force. Right. So I think society enforces houselessness on people who can’t afford housing or they give them housing. Those are the two possible scenarios. And people are getting forced out of areas where they’re trying to be, quote, housed. Right. All the time. You know, like, I don’t know how bad Omaha is with this, but big cities, L.A. or whatever. They’re every day pushing thousands of people around because they’re not allowed to camp here. They’re not allowed to pitch a tent there or wherever. Right. And that’s all for us. Right. So, you know, you look skeptical. I would agree that they’re being forced out of an area, but I don’t know if I would directly relate that to being forced into homelessness. And the only thing I would add, well, two things, I guess, are these legitimate experiences that have happened to him or are these hypotheticals? No, not to him. He’s been allowed to sleep on the street. He’s been allowed to sleep in the casino. He’s been allowed to sleep in an alley. He’s been allowed to sleep. Illegally in several places against the law. Right. And then they catch on and they bump him out. Right. So but it’s not enough. It’s a home. Right. All this shit’s in storage. Right. Because he can’t have any of it anywhere because it’s all going to get dumpstered the next day if he doesn’t move. Right. So it’s not it’s not housing. The bus stop across from where his apartment used to be that he slept in. That’s not he can’t, you know, set up shop there and eat breakfast. You know, it’s just whether or not the police roll by and kick him out at 2 a.m. or not. So anyway, I would say our society is enforcing because he can’t earn enough money. Maybe he can. Right. But I’m not aware of any job that would hire him to pay enough money that would be enough money to pay rent. Right. Because of some mental stuff he has going on. Right. I don’t I don’t think he could functionally run a cash register or anything. So, yeah. And he sounds like he falls into the boat of people that I’m technically worried about. You know, like a lot of times we talk about, you know, the gap widening between the upper and the lower stuff. And people are always like stuck in these poor states and states is in conditions like, look at all these people that are making minimum wage or whatever. But and, you know, I can’t really pull the statistics out right now, but my understanding is a very small percentage of people literally stay in that category throughout their whole life, like a minimum wage sort of status. It’s something like five or seven percent. I can’t remember. Everybody else, you know, moves out of that category and then they’re just kind of backfilled by somebody else. And then those people move out. And I would say that five or seven percent is a really low amount. I thought every time I pulled statistics, you told me that you didn’t jive with statistics. No, but it’s a terrible argument. What I’m trying to say is that statistics themselves aren’t a valid reason to violate rights. That’s the only point I ever try to make. So does he have a right to sleep? He has a right to sleep. Yeah. OK. And this is where maybe he doesn’t have a right to sleep on my property. Right. Right. OK. And so doesn’t the city need to provide housing? I don’t think somewhere he can sleep. So so I think that there’s probably a reason why you don’t want him to stay in your house. Well, I’m curious what rights you think he has. What rights does he have? And this is where it’s a little gray area because and where I was going with the whole statistic thing is he sounds like he’s the part of the five or seven percent that’s never really going to be able to move out of it because of his mental state. And I think we’ve even talked about this before that I don’t know what to do about people that are in the very lowest part of mental capacity within the country. Oh, I do. We should provide them home. Well, housing and food and clothing, basic, basic level stuff. Right. And I do think my only concern with doing something like that is and maybe maybe there’s an idea to prevent this, but I don’t like the idea of them just kind of living off of somebody else or transferring money from people that have earned it to somebody that hasn’t. Now, I think that people can if they want to volunteer to help. Right. But I think that part of the problem here is that the reason why you don’t want them in your own personal house and somebody else doesn’t want to put up a house for him to stay in, even rent free, is that he probably is not going to take care or respect any place that he goes and stays in to some degree. Yeah, he needs a lot of help with his patterns of residence. And that’s why it’s probably not beneficial for us like the city to even just leave them out, you know, next to the river, because if they let anybody and everybody in those states or conditions do that, then there’s going to be needles. There’s going to be other things where people have also have a right to use that public area for public things without having to worry about a needle going through the bottom of their foot or anything like that. I mean, there is an advantage of saying you can’t sleep here. And for everyone else. Yeah. For the people that can’t sleep there. Right. And and where I’m going with that is this that I’m what I’m trying to say is, is that we’re not just kicking them out for no reason either. We’re not saying you’re poor. We’re going to kick you out. We’re saying we’re going to kick you out because it’s not safe for society as a whole for you to stay here. Or we think that society is going to suffer if you stay here as a whole. It’s not about them. It’s about. Society looking after its own in the same sense that I would have the responsibility to look out for my own house and the people in my house and the same thing that you do, too. Right. I mean, if I would imagine all of that is part of the reason why you wouldn’t let them stay in your own home, which translates over to why the city doesn’t let them just stay randomly at different places. You’re saying the government is enforcing the the. General public interest is what I would say there. Yeah, the public. OK, so the people that have money are the majority and the majority. They’re what they want is important, and therefore government should make sure that the people that have money, that their rights are being protected. I don’t think it’s about people with money. I think it’s about people that are living in a civil society that don’t want to step on syringes or they they want to feel safe and in fact be safe. You know, like I think that that’s what it’s more about. I mean, we’re not like quizzing these people and saying, oh, do you have money? Oh, you don’t have money. GTFO, you know, that’s not what’s happening here. And I think that that’s generally the case with homeless people there. They’re homeless for a reason. And those reasons are incompatible with a safe and functioning society in general. And therefore, that’s why they say stay out. So so as a city that has millions of dollars to build a new baseball stadium, why don’t we also house these people? I don’t think we should build a baseball stadium. OK, great. So I need to come up with something else that we wasted money on. Like to me, this is the basic fundamental building blocks upon which a society should be built. It’s taking care of the most needy people. Some guy named Jesus said this, and I’ve been preaching it ever since, that that it’s important baseline that people don’t starve, have safe drinking water and somewhere to sleep and a toilet. Like I and I don’t understand how we ever think that we’re a good society. When we’re not doing that. Yeah. For everybody. And honestly, I and you know, I should maybe look more into this and I’ll openly admit that I don’t care enough about it to really kind of research it. I don’t know what’s out there for people that are considered homeless for Omaha. Like, isn’t there a place that they can go? Yeah, there’s a whole network of places. So why doesn’t he go to one of those network of places? He is in one of them now. Yeah. Oh, so he does have a house. I don’t think I’d call it a home and I don’t know how long they’re going to house him before they kick him out. Right. Because I don’t know much about that. It’s in Council Bluffs. It’s a facility I’m not familiar with. I’ll learn more about it today when I go down there. But but I don’t know. Right. So is that supportive housing or is that just an emergency shelter? I don’t know. Like the difference between emergency shelter and supportive housing or is big. That’s a big difference. Big, big gap. Yeah. So my understanding is, too, and I should know more about this, but I don’t. But I thought that there is as a part of the social air quotes safety net that we have in this country. If you fall below a certain line of being able to take care of yourself, then you do get financial support. And it’s not it’s not nothing. Yeah. Medicaid. Yeah. And I don’t know. I don’t know. I’m not a caseworker, but. Right. So they both get checks. Right. Like him and his partner, they get checks. Right. And and and so I guess I don’t understand how we’re enforcing homelessness if we’re providing an emergency place to stay. And we also provide him with checks where he could actually pay for a place. But it’s not enough money to pay for a place. But it is if he wanted to share with somebody, though. Right. So and that’s another thing is that we kind of so. Yeah. And I don’t I didn’t I didn’t mean to imply that we’ve that we meaning tax dollars, the tax base has never given him anything. That is absolutely not true. This guy has spent way more tax money than I have. I mean, he had heart surgery and shit. Right. I’ve never had heart surgery. That’s expensive. So I’ve put in a lot more money into the system and he’s taken a lot more money out of the system than I have personally because of his medical things. Now I’m getting older and my medical things will start racking up any to any day now. So my private insurance covers so much based on all my payments, based on my salary, based on the work I do, blah, blah, blah. But, you know. So, yeah. So and I do think that there are some things that we could to do as a society to employ people like him. I would assume he can pick up trash off the street. Yeah. Yeah. If he had supervision, he could probably get a lot of that done. So, yeah. Well, sort of like he had a toe amputated so he can get along. His mobility is pretty good. I don’t know that he could pull like eight hour shifts on his feet. I’m not sure that’s feasible, but maybe. It sounds to me like he probably needs to pull eight hours on his feet at least. And what I’m saying is he probably lost his big toe because he’s probably not taking care of himself and probably not moving around enough. And I’m not a doctor. I don’t know his situation, but I know that that’s a common thing. I don’t know his situation, but I know that that’s a common area for that. You know what I’m saying? So and this is what. But that doesn’t change the fact that he might not be able to pick up trash off the street 40 hours a week. I don’t know. I don’t know. I’m not a doctor. I don’t have his medical history. The way I look at it is that somebody in a wheelchair should be able to do pick up trash off the side of the road. They at least try. They may not be the most productive at it, but that’s not what we’re looking for. Right. And the reason why I’m bringing. So like some of the people I know in wheelchairs are pretty, pretty mobile. And then some are very not mobile. Yeah. And I’m not I’m not saying like someone that’s a quadriplegic should be. Some of them I think could pick up trash. Yeah. I think some of them could not. So and this is I think that work itself is therapeutic. I think that work benefits society. So I can’t remember me and Kelly were driving somewhere yesterday. We were going downtown. I can’t remember

exactly where we were at, but I looked over to the right, oh, it was actually, it wasn’t even downtown. We were going to the Walmart on Highway 133, and we were looking at the side of the road, and there was bags of trash everywhere. And it doesn’t take a very highly skilled person to pick that up. And what I’m trying to say is that even if you take his Medicaid, he’s still allowed to earn a specific, some amount of money, right? And I think that if we want to employ people like him, I think that there are opportunities to employ him. I’m not saying that he should make a certain minimum wage there or anything like that, but I do think that we could pay people in his situation to work eight hours a day to supplement what he already gets for Medicaid. I think that people that are in his position should be able to split the rent with other people, but there’s also risks associated with that. People that don’t want to necessarily rent the house to him because he’s not going to take care of it. You know, he’s going to destroy it. I mean, there’s a basic level of needing to interact with society that’s also owed to society, right? I can’t say that everybody owes him everything, and he owes nothing in return, but I cannot come to that conclusion. And that’s where I go to, he does not have housing as a right. It is an interaction. Housing is an interaction, and he owes his own responsibility for that, even if it is just treating that stuff with respect. So today I get in my truck, I get in a huge car wreck, and now I’m barely cognizant of anything at all. Does society owe me housing? I can’t. There’s no way I can work. I can barely communicate. Those are complicated questions to work through, and, you know, I’ve talked to Kelly about it. Oh, here’s the answer. Yes, society should make sure that that person is housed. I saved you the trouble. Congratulations. You have the answer now. It’s not complicated. So you’re saying your parents wouldn’t house you? Oh, me? Yeah. Oh, sorry. In your specific case? I thought that’s kind of what you- I’m fine. I’d be fine. I have, like, my career is fine. I have short-term and long-term disability insurance that I’ve been paying for for 15 years, you know? So if I’m completely disabled, I get 60% of my salary as if I’m working forever until I’m dead, right? My insurance is awesome, assuming it works, right? Assuming they actually pay out and don’t somehow dodge the fact that I’ve been paying all these premiums for short- and long-term disability for all these decades. So I’d be fine, and I don’t think the taxpayer would have to do anything for me. It would be the private insurance companies that I’ve sent all this money to that would now suddenly be paying out the nose to keep me in food, clothing, shelter. Right. And those things are- For no work. Like, I’m contributing nothing to society. But those things are kind of about the reduction of risk in and of itself, right? Yeah. They’re playing a game, right? So there’s a million people. They have a million, you know? And they’re just mathematically, okay, this is going to happen 15 times. And so we’re going to pull money out of 900,000 people, and 15 times we’re going to pay out these huge multi-million dollar, yeah. But that’s not the only way- Then they’re making money. That’s not the only way that they’re reducing risk either, though, right? So like, it is affecting your behavior. So for example, you probably understand that if you get into your same car, and you are going to run through a parade, and while you’re running through a parade, you accidentally hit something, and then you become disabled, you’re probably not going to get those benefits anymore. Right. Because you intentionally caused an accident in which you were involved. Or if you went out drunk driving. All these other things contribute to the reduction of risk, not only just for yourself, but for society as a whole. And that’s how those things benefit society as a whole. And that’s what I’m trying to get at here, is that it’s not about just money or rights. It’s about how society interacts with itself in somewhat of a self-regulating, self-governing way. And just giving somebody a house, thinking that you’ve solved a problem, I fail to see how for your friend, that would do just that. No, you couldn’t do that. He’d destroy it. And that’s another problem. No, what he needs, as far as I can tell, and maybe I’m just a sucker, maybe he’s conning me, I don’t know. But I’ve worked with him for years. What he needs is supportive housing, in that someone is keeping an eye on his day-to-day living, once a day or whatever. Somebody’s checking in for a half hour a day, just to make sure that he has the basic human sanitary conditions under control. In terms of dishes, you have to wash them and put them away. That kind of stuff. Right. And how does he personally get motivated to do that on his own? Just because you have somebody standing over him, monitoring him, doesn’t necessarily mean that he will do that, or that we can get him to do that. If he has the capacity to do it, and he refuses to do it, then I think, yeah, there should be consequences for that. Should he be homeless? So let’s say you have your situation, they say, yeah, you do this, he doesn’t do it. Yeah, here’s what I want. And you’re being so stingy with your tax dollars. What I want is supportive housing, and take it as part of his SSI, or whatever, whatever. He’s got housing, and he’s got somebody that’s checking in on him every day. And they try to work with him. They’re like, hey, look, you’re going to get cockroaches. You can’t do this. You have to do this. He has the mental capacity to do that. He understands. He works a lot of systems. He can figure out the bus. Thank God he figured out the bus. I was really hesitant that he wouldn’t be able to figure out the bus thing, but apparently he does. And now he can use the crap out of his… Lots of bus stuff. Great. Because that’s not the simplest thing in the world, the bus network trying to plan your schedule and everything. Anyway, yeah, if you had someone in there and working with him, and these are the basics of, hey, here’s how we do laundry, and showing him how to do it, I think he could do it. If he’s choosing not to do it, he can do it, and he’s choosing not to do it, then I’m like, oh, okay, well, we tried to give you the safety net, and you totally could have fixed it, and you didn’t, and now you’re out of the net, and you’re homeless. And I’d feel way better about that, because I’d be like, oh, well, we tried really hard to give him a system where he can totally choose to cooperate with that system and have what he needs, and he’s chosen not to, and therefore, dah, dah, dah. That I’m fine. Right. And just to bring us to common ground, I’m actually, I agree with that statement 100%. The only thing I would add is that I feel like he’s already been given that opportunity. Now, we could disagree on that, I’m sure, but the fact that he’s homeless is because he can’t, and especially in today’s society where he has Medicare, Medicaid, whatever, maybe the only thing that I would add is to give him supplemental opportunities that’s organized by the government that says, hey, we have this task that needs to be done from a city standpoint. We need to clean up all these needles off of the river that your buddy’s brought over here, and we’ve been kicking them out, and we got all this other stuff. We could pay him on an hourly basis to clean up, and it doesn’t even have to be that. I’m sure that there’s other tasks that don’t require a high level of intelligence that can be done, and we could pay him to do those tasks. There’s a cost more, but it’s possible that’s a good thing to do, regardless of whether or not we lose money on it as a society, right? It’s possible. I’m not sure if I have to employ a bunch of people who are going to manage the people that I’m employing, is that worth it? I understand work programs. Work programs for the sake of giving people a job, I get that. That’s fine. But I don’t think from a tax dollar perspective, I don’t know that those are productive in terms of actually producing goods or something that can be sold, compared to how much labor you had to put into it to get that out. But I don’t know. I don’t know either. I don’t know if you’re … Are you making a point that, hey, we could be saving money by putting these people to work, or are you making the point that work is good and we should offer job opportunities to people because work is good? The second one, for sure. I don’t know if we’d save money, but … So even if it costs more, putting them in a work program would be a good thing to do, possibly. So what are those things that drive around and pick up trash on the street, like they got the little sweepers on them? Street sweeper? I guess maybe that’s what they’re called. Street sweeper, yeah. So I think the idea of a street sweeper, air quote, saves money, because we wouldn’t have to pay a lot of people to do something that a mechanized vehicle could do more and better job at, right? I mean, it gets the pebbles up, gets the sand up, probably gets the salt up. So I’m not saying that we save money by hiring these people to do a task that, to some degree, a street sweeper would do better and cheaper at, and cover more ground. What I am saying is that we could pay them to do something that does need to be done, and therefore society would be benefiting from what we’re paying. It may not be the best option to achieve the given task, but it is something that’s available now, and we could pay them to do that task, and society would get something out of it. Could we make it more efficient by doing different things or hiring different people? Sure, we could. But what I’m saying is that it is something that is, in fact, needs to be done, and it is work. And since it does need to be done and it is work, it gives them the feeling of being able to accomplish a task and participating in society in a way that benefits both of them. They get paid, society gets the trash cleaned up. And it doesn’t even have to be those tasks, but just that concept that people get the benefit of the reward of payment to complete a task that needs to be done, and that’s how we kind of interact and start to interact with society in meaningful ways. I think it’s great. I think you’re proposing a job program. Yeah. And I’m like, great. Yeah. Let’s do that. And I don’t know why we don’t. But I think we do. I don’t know. I don’t know anything about job programs. Well, it’s interesting if we do that. And I mean, everywhere I turn, there’s just – the streets are just littered. So I don’t know if there’s just a lack of interest for people to do something like that for extra money, you know? Even myself, if I’m just sitting around not doing anything all day, every day of the week, 365 days a year, I’m probably going to be doing stuff I shouldn’t be doing. I feel like it gives people purpose. I think it gives people a way to participate in society. And they understand, too, that, hey, wait a minute, I’m cleaning up this trash and some of it’s mine. I can see the cost that I pose on society because I’m not doing my part to take care of things and keep things – you know, like, it just – it’s a universal way. You know, in a lot of debates and things, I see people talking about, well, this is part of a system of exploitation. We’d be exploiting them to get them out there to pick up the trash. And I just don’t see that in standard voluntary transactions that people do for everyday work. Well, it could be exploitative, for sure. Like, it needs to be run well, otherwise it is exploitative, in my opinion. But anyway, yeah, the only job program I think I’m at all familiar with is Heart Ministries. So they do a lot of food distribution, and part of that is that they’ve got a bunch of warehouse workers that are doing a bunch of stuff. And some of that, I think, is post-incarceral workers, like people who are coming out of prison and need some kind of halfway house kind of employment situation. And they do a bunch of that. And then, like, I think they do, like, you know, troubled teens, young adults, right, that are whatever, bumping into problems or whatever. And they do that, right? So it’s job training as far as, like, how do warehouses work, and how does inventory control work, and how do we, you know, move all this crap around work, and how does the trucking work, and the receiving, and the scheduling, and the shipping, and the entry, you know, all this stuff. There’s a ton of stuff you can’t learn, right? And that’s part, I think, of their whole program. I’d have to look up the website, but yeah, Heart Ministries in Omaha, I’m vaguely familiar with that. You pulled up their website, nice. So it does look like that’s what you’re talking about. So I don’t know how much society is doing that versus how much independent individual donor philanthropists are making that fiscally possible, you know? So I don’t know if they’ve got a grant, you know, for $8 million from whoever rich person, or if they have a bunch of, if they’re constantly filling out, what are the grant proposals for government money? I don’t know, right? So to the extent that my tax dollars are going to support Heart Ministries, I assume that’s a good thing, right? And I have no reason to believe it’s not a good thing, but I could imagine exploitive situation where they’re getting free labor to run their for-profit business, right? Paying them jack shit, that’s not fair. That wouldn’t be cool. I’m not talking about Heart Ministries. I’m talking about there could be problems with not paying people living wages to do things, and minimum wages and living wage. So congratulations. Yeah. Yeah. And I would honestly agree with that. I don’t even know if we’ve talked about any of those instances where I do think that there is some exploitive things that do happen in our society, but that, I mean, I think that there is something to be said that I think that that exploitation in that sense should be a legal issue, not a job opportunity issue, and not like an opinion thing, but something that could be based on some objective facts. Yeah. I think exploiting workers hopefully is illegal, right? Yeah. Hopefully they’re violating the law by exploiting labor. And I can get behind that. Yeah. Cool. Okay. Well, my whole other topic was, was a week and a half ago, we were talking about monopolies and monopolistic practices, and I was like, oh, I’ve got a whole bunch of stuff on that, but this recording is probably too long already. So should we do a separate episode? How long have we been going? 35 minutes. It looks like. Oh, that’s it? I think so. Oh, okay. Can I pull this off? Can I switch gears? Well, maybe we can just start talking about it anyways, but is that a Discord conversation as well? My recollection was we were trying to lightly exercise your dog’s leg in your backyard. Oh, yeah. And I said something that I was talking about from Discord and you said something and then I said something and I, uh, yeah, I don’t think I can pull this off right now. What time is it when I get a load of the truck? Oh, it’s 11. Okay. Um, yeah, I don’t think, I think we’ll have to, I think we’ll have to call this one episode and I’ll organize my thoughts for another one. Oh yeah. No, I’m sorry. I was actually just looking back in the conversations on Discord to see. I’m proud of Huey. Huey did good. I mean, one thing, but. Oh, that’s pretty normal. After one thing, he settled down. Well, one reason why I did want to pick up stuff that they could fight over is that Missy’s not innocent with that stuff either. Yeah. You know what I’m saying? So it’s not like all of that was his fault. I don’t think we can put all of that on Huey. No, I’m just, I’m worried he outweighs her by a factor of five. So I’m more worried that he’s going to damage her than the other way around. Oh yeah. Well, I mean, certainly that he could get ahold of her. Missy could. Missy’s hurt. She bit through my skin to where I could see bone before. Did I ever tell you that? God. Well, I don’t think it was her fault either. I mean, yes, it was her tooth, but. So like we used to use those Martingale collars. Do you remember when we used to use those? When it has the edge. Do you still use them? Yeah. Well, one time her and Alex were fighting and not fighting. I think they were legitimately playing. Well, Alex got his bottom jaw caught in her loop on her Martingale collar. Oh no. And they were freaking out. And I reached in to get Alex out of her Martingale collar. And I think she bit me not knowing what like what’s going on. And she bit me like through my knuckle right here to where I could see my bone in my knuckles. I just let it heal. I probably should have went to the doctor, but at any rate, I mean, she’s a. I mean, she’s got a strong. Yeah. I didn’t know your knuckles without stitches. I didn’t think your knuckle skin would if you had a big puncture, but it wasn’t really big. It was probably maybe like an eighth of an inch hole, but you could still see through the skin and into everything that was there. That was a good time, is he? Yeah. I wouldn’t hold that against Huey if that happened. Yeah. I mean, I’m just worried that when, when he gets, you know, oh, he is a big dog. He’s big. Yeah. Anyways. Yeah. We might have to come back to the monopoly thing. I can’t even find it in discord to kind of figure out and I’m not remembering off the top of my head. I’ve filled it with this current conversation. I can’t remember off the top of my head what I thought I could talk about for half an hour on that. All right. Well, anything else going on or should we call it for this? Oh, we can call it unless you’ve got something else you want to talk about. I don’t think so. All right. Thanks. Thanks, Chris. Thank you. Another episode in the can. Look at what we did. Yeah. It’s a good mess. Good girl. Again, that voicemail number is 1-402-577-0117 if you’d like to leave us a message. Thanks.